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joecool:

Ronin:

... and am more than happy to point someone in the best direction for their budget.

 My budget right now is $12 -- make a recommendation.

Hotwheels multi-pack.

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Ronin:

I hate to break it to you...but your 350HP claim is a bit high.  Like a lot of Camaros for a very long time, it uses a 350 cubic inch engine...which at the time was rated at 155 hp.  I certainly hope whoever sold it to you didn't claim that horsepower figure. 

Far be it from me to tell you what to do, but if I may make a couple suggestions.  You have a couple options aside from continuing in the course you have.

1. Keep the Camaro, but ditch the motor.  You can get an LT1 or LS1 (Camaro engines of the 90s and early 2000s) for probably $500-$2000, depending on age and mileage.  Those will make anywhere from 275 to 325 hp stock.
2. Ditch the Camaro, buy something else.  You could probably get $500-1000 for it by selling it as a rolling chassis, assuming there's not too much rust.  You're probably on a fairly miniscule budget, so you'd think your options are limited.  There are project cars that can be bought for less than $5k, some less than $3k...that already have working engines, are already faster than the Camaro, and can be made fast...really fast...with another $5k or so.  To list off my favorites, 88-91 Honda CRXs or Civics (CRXs are VERY VERY light...about 1800-1900 lbs); 94-98 Acura Integras; 90-94 Eagle Talon TSi and Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX or GST; 89-91 Mazda RX-7 Turbo; 90-93 Nissan 300zx;  and the 89-94 Nissan 240SX...then if you're still digging the domestics (personal opinion is to stay away...they have longevity issues, especially over 100k miles), 92-95 Camaros, and 94-98 Mustangs.

I'm far from a mechanic myself, but I have a fairly thorough wealth of knowledge on the subject of vehicular performance, and am more than happy to point someone in the best direction for their budget.

 

They claimed a lot of... on it. Muscled out of money and then really know about what the truth was about the car. 350 cubic inch engine. ya that sounds more like it. Also told me it had Glass pack... and guess what. It was a leak from the seal on the exhaust. Lame mexicans. Yea id settle for 1k. but will ask for 1500 so they can think they getting something worth out of. Camaro has working engine, just transmittion went out due to parts or something else that I dont know of. Was in processing of taking it out, just got stuck on one bolt.

I have a preference of muscle cars.

I also own. 1993 Toyota Camry LE [Luxary edition] WGN [wagon]. But its one of top of the line Toyota's ive heard.

Ronin:

joecool:

Ronin:

... and am more than happy to point someone in the best direction for their budget.

 My budget right now is $12 -- make a recommendation.

Hotwheels multi-pack.

 haha. nice.

Navyblue007:

I have a preference of muscle cars.

Pardon me as I get on my car soap box.

Let me start by saying that I have a love for all forms of vehicular performance...be it a vintage muscle car, tubbed out, on slicks, pulling a wheel stand and roaring down the quarter mile...or tiny front-wheel drive Honda with no turbo and a 1.6 liter 4 banger providing the go, yet it still rips a 12 second quarter mile.  Not that my interest is limited to 1/4 mile time slips, but track racing and handling is a whole nother can.

Let me introduce you to a different form of muscle cars. Call it Japanese muscle, technology muscle, whatever.  It is based on 2 main characteristics...weight and engine technology.  I would be here all day if I tried to explain what I mean by engine technology.  But the point is that it can be made just as fast, be more reliable, most of the time get better gas mileage, and be done for the same amount of money or less.

Case in point...you can get an 88-91 CRX for about $2k.  Invest about $2200-3200 in a better engine, plus money to have it swapped in, and you'll be running mid to low 14s.  Invest in a good turbo kit, better suspension, clutch, etc., and for less than $10k, you'll be hitting mid to low 13s.  Just think of it this way...250-400 hp in a car that weighs less than 2,000 lbs.  I can't vouch for your car, but most Camaros weigh between 3500-3800 lbs.

If what draws you to muscle cars is the look, most imports in the price range won't look quite as classy, but pretty nice:

240SX: http://www.nissanclub.com/240SX/jrsx/jrsx01.jpg

CRX: http://www.honda-crx.info/galeria/data/media/23/crx.jpg

Talons and Eclipses: http://hometown.aol.com/kenokazaki/CAR_NEW.jpg

300zx: http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/wallpapers/300zx-1024.jpg

RX-7: http://www.srbpower.com/images/gp-sports/G4/mazda/rx7-fc3s/image01.jpg

It should be noted that these cars have all been altered with body kits, but in stock form, they still don't look bad.

If it's the sound...I'm afraid that not a lot can be done there.  Modified 300ZXs can sound pretty sweet, and there are things that can be done for Hondas so they don't sound quite like a can of hornets...but nothing can replace the burble and roar of a small block V8.

Hopefully this information is insightful.  My aim is not necessarily to change your mind, but to make you aware of other options.

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I'm with Navyblue007 here.  There is nothing on this earth better than a vintage American muscle car.  The look, the sound, everything about them is great.  You know I am biased because of owning one myself.  It's been far too long since I was able to enjoy my '69 Firebird, but I still have a vision for that car and one day I will fulfill it.  It's not necessarily about the performance although that of course factors into it.  The simple truth is that they have a way of working into your blood that no ricer can ever match.  More power to those guys because they do some incredible things, but my heart will always belong to ranks of GM, Mopar, and Ford of the late '60s.

Ricer...such a harsh term.   I'm sure you didn't mean it as such, it's usually reserved for imports that are "modified" with excessive body kits, towering wings, neons, wing doors, etc. that can actually harm the car's performance (granted, the cars I indicated did have body kits, but most were well done).  We prefer import tuner, import muscle, or just plain import (since that also encompasses VWs).

I apologize for my comment about longevity...but it was based on personal experience and experience of peers.  Hondas have one of the highest resale value next to BMW, and can regularly be found with 200k+ miles still running strong.

 

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Ronin:

Ricer...such a harsh term.   I'm sure you didn't mean it as such, it's usually reserved for imports that are "modified" with excessive body kits, towering wings, neons, wing doors, etc. that can actually harm the car's performance (granted, the cars I indicated did have body kits, but most were well done).  We prefer import tuner, import muscle, or just plain import (since that also encompasses VWs).

I apologize for my comment about longevity...but it was based on personal experience and experience of peers.  Hondas have one of the highest resale value next to BMW, and can regularly be found with 200k+ miles still running strong.

 

Its not so much about the performance or even the resale value with a American muscle car you just feel like its a hell of a lot more car. Can't the sound the look. Plus it is a feeling of a time when things where built in America, using the steel and the hard work that we where once know for, yea you might get more racibality out of  a import. But when i buy an American muscle car i ain't selling it unless i am forced at gun point. On a sort of side not My dad had a 81 ford f150 that had 300k+ miles on it when it die to a car cash so longevity it not really the issue.

 

Now having said that about buying a new car being as my budget is well less then small buying a car at this point is not an option. So i will just drive my 1989 V6 2.8L MFI Pontiac 6000 le, until it falls apart around me. :D

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"a lot more car", the look, and even the sound (high revving engines, blow off valves...these sound great to me too) are all subjective ideas.  I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.  I apologize if I tried to make it sound like imports are "better", as I've mentioned, I enjoy both.  I'd have both if I had the money.  I just like to try to expand understanding, and it looks like you understand that they're a force to be reckoned with...it doesn't matter that you prefer the muscle...it's just good that you understand the "threat" .  That's awesome that your dad's truck lasted that long.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm expressing what I've seen myself.  Any car has the chance to go for 300k miles if it's cared for.  I've personally just seen more Hondas do it than anything else.

As far as the cars being built in America, this is true of the classic muscles, but some American brand cars (not sure which makes) have assembly plants in places like Mexico for the newer cars, as well as sourcing parts from other manufacturers.  For instance, the turbo and manifold from the Dodge SRT-4 comes from Mitsubishi.  Eagle, which is an American car, sold the Talon.  The Talon, when you take off the Eagle badge, spoiler, and a few odds and ends, is entirely Mitsubishi.

 * Ronin shuffles away, sensing his minority.

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IDEA!!!!

navyblue007 and General Chaos, you should join the car club! http://retardedmonkeys.net/community/forums/ShowThread.aspx?PostID=176#176

Not that we do anything...yet...but there is at least the hint of plans...maybe.  Don't worry...if I come up with a sticker, it'd be small, and easily removed.

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Lol yea i was doing some work on my womans car the other day and i noticed that her 1990 ford probe was made by Mitsubishi. But as far as the made in America thing goes most everything is not made in America these days.

lol on a side not i like imports i just like muscle more. Tho that not liking imports as much for bad exp with a couple of older Honda accords i think one was a 90 and other like a 92. Both had similar problems with vacuum timing and just general things of that nature. Shurg who knows....   

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Ronin:

... Hondas have one of the highest resale value next to BMW, and can regularly be found with 200k+ miles still running strong.

Same with Toyota. The '93 camry wgn is low-end priced at $6500 [quote at KBB]. Bought at $4500.

moonman109:

Ronin:

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... until it falls apart around me. :D

 ROLF falls apart around me. Yes, but still while doing regular maintainence and tuning.

Ronin:

"a lot more car", the look, and even the sound (high revving engines, blow off valves...these sound great to me too) are all subjective ideas. 

 Plus the legendary Back-Firing and Flames. American Mucle out revved import car. Fun times.

Navyblue007:

Ronin:

"a lot more car", the look, and even the sound (high revving engines, blow off valves...these sound great to me too) are all subjective ideas. 

 Plus the legendary Back-Firing and Flames. American Mucle out revved import car. Fun times.

http://i.pbase.com/u38/mtf_foto_studies/upload/31888729.RX7ExhaustFlameOriginal.jpg

And that's just what I could find in 5 minutes.

Flames shooting out the exhaust is a result of an engine running too rich...too much fuel...the result is fuel exiting the engine block, into the exhaust pipe, where the searing temperatures of the pipe ignite the gas...voila.  It doesn't have anything to do with it being domestic, nor is it entirely a good thing (though it is cool looking).

Regarding revving...redline...the highest speed an engine can safely be run...when was the last time you saw these numbers on a domestic:

http://asia.vtec.net/featurecar/EF9/cabin2.jpg

http://typer.org/images/tach69.JPG

I couldn't find an image of an S2000 tach, but I can tell you it red lines at 9k.  Stock.  All these tachs are stock.  All the images shown are from Hondas with 4 cylinders and 2 L or less of displacement.

That being said...and this is an important lesson that I learned in my quest for car knowledge...RPM range means very little.  What matters is the power you're making at what RPM.  If you can go to 9,000 and you're making 240 HP (S2000) at that point, and the Corvette next to you is making twice that at 6,000 RPM...you're going to lose (but what are you doing drag-racing a Corvette, you should be racing it around a road course).  Torque and HP curves are also important...but I don't have the time.

Again, not trying to be mean (hope I'm not coming off as such), only trying to educate.

(edited because the pictures were too big)

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LOL i look at it this way if ti has wheels it is worth it even if its a man powered car or bike

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